diff --git a/docs/install_linux_mac.rst b/docs/install_linux_mac.rst
index 1fe908070..b767c1592 100644
--- a/docs/install_linux_mac.rst
+++ b/docs/install_linux_mac.rst
@@ -256,7 +256,7 @@ Pyenv is now installed and your system should be configured to run Python 3.8.
 Creating a Virtual Environment
 ------------------------------
 
-We **strongly** recommend installing Red into a virtual environment. Don't be scared, it's very
+We require installing Red into a virtual environment. Don't be scared, it's very
 straightforward. See the section `installing-in-virtual-environment`.
 
 .. _installing-red-linux-mac:
@@ -267,29 +267,19 @@ Installing Red
 
 Choose one of the following commands to install Red.
 
-.. note::
-
-    If you're not inside an activated virtual environment, include the ``--user`` flag with all
-    ``python3.8 -m pip install`` commands, like this:
-
-    .. code-block:: none
-
-        python3.8 -m pip install --user -U setuptools wheel
-        python3.8 -m pip install --user -U Red-DiscordBot
-
 To install without additional config backend support:
 
 .. code-block:: none
 
-    python3.8 -m pip install -U setuptools wheel
-    python3.8 -m pip install -U Red-DiscordBot
+    python -m pip install -U pip setuptools wheel
+    python -m pip install -U Red-DiscordBot
 
 Or, to install with PostgreSQL support:
 
 .. code-block:: none
 
-    python3.8 -m pip install -U setuptools wheel
-    python3.8 -m pip install -U Red-DiscordBot[postgres]
+    python -m pip install -U pip setuptools wheel
+    python -m pip install -U Red-DiscordBot[postgres]
 
 
 --------------------------
diff --git a/docs/install_windows.rst b/docs/install_windows.rst
index 93e390863..36fcc11fa 100644
--- a/docs/install_windows.rst
+++ b/docs/install_windows.rst
@@ -64,6 +64,13 @@ Manually installing dependencies
 
 .. _installing-red-windows:
 
+------------------------------
+Creating a Virtual Environment
+------------------------------
+
+We require installing Red into a virtual environment. Don't be scared, it's very
+straightforward. See the section `installing-in-virtual-environment`.
+
 --------------
 Installing Red
 --------------
@@ -72,31 +79,20 @@ Installing Red
                for the PATH changes to take effect.
 
 1. Open a command prompt (open Start, search for "command prompt", then click it)
-2. Create and activate a virtual environment (strongly recommended), see the section `using-venv`
-3. Run **one** of the following commands, depending on what extras you want installed
-
-  .. note::
-
-      If you're not inside an activated virtual environment, use ``py -3.8`` in place of
-      ``python``, and include the ``--user`` flag with all ``pip install`` commands, like this:
-
-      .. code-block:: none
-
-          py -3.8 -m pip install --user -U setuptools wheel
-          py -3.8 -m pip install --user -U Red-DiscordBot
+2. Run **one** of the following set of commands, depending on what extras you want installed
 
   * Normal installation:
 
     .. code-block:: none
 
-        python -m pip install -U setuptools wheel
+        python -m pip install -U pip setuptools wheel
         python -m pip install -U Red-DiscordBot
 
   * With PostgreSQL support:
 
     .. code-block:: none
 
-        python -m pip install -U setuptools wheel
+        python -m pip install -U pip setuptools wheel
         python -m pip install -U Red-DiscordBot[postgres]
 
 
diff --git a/docs/venv_guide.rst b/docs/venv_guide.rst
index 1aa34b93d..dea83eee6 100644
--- a/docs/venv_guide.rst
+++ b/docs/venv_guide.rst
@@ -9,14 +9,9 @@ problems. Firstly, simply choose how you'd like to create your virtual environme
 * :ref:`using-venv` (quick and easy, involves two commands)
 * :ref:`using-pyenv-virtualenv` (recommended if you installed Python with pyenv)
 
-**Why Should I Use a Virtual Environment?**
-
-90% of the installation and setup issues raised in our support channels are resolved when the user
-creates a virtual environment.
-
 **What Are Virtual Environments For?**
 
-Virtual environments allow you to isolate red's library dependencies, cog dependencies and python
+Virtual environments allow you to isolate Red's library dependencies, cog dependencies and python
 binaries from the rest of your system. It also makes sure Red and its dependencies are installed to
 a predictable location. It makes uninstalling Red as simple as removing a single folder, without
 worrying about losing your data or other things on your system becoming broken.
@@ -31,18 +26,18 @@ python.
 
 First, choose a directory where you would like to create your virtual environment. It's a good idea
 to keep it in a location which is easy to type out the path to. From now, we'll call it
-``redenv``.
+``redenv`` and it will be located in your home directory.
 
 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
 ``venv`` on Linux or Mac
 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
 Create your virtual environment with the following command::
 
-    python3.8 -m venv redenv
+    python3.8 -m venv ~/redenv
 
 And activate it with the following command::
 
-    source redenv/bin/activate
+    source ~/redenv/bin/activate
 
 .. important::
 
@@ -56,11 +51,11 @@ Continue reading `below <after-activating-virtual-environment>`.
 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
 Create your virtual environment with the following command::
 
-    py -3.8 -m venv redenv
+    py -3.8 -m venv %userprofile%\redenv
 
 And activate it with the following command::
 
-    redenv\Scripts\activate.bat
+    %userprofile%\redenv\Scripts\activate.bat
 
 .. important::